Monday.com Q2 FY2025 Earnings Call Transcript
Monday.com Ltd. (NASDAQ:MNDY) reported its second-quarter earnings results ahead of Monday’s opening bell.
Below are the transcripts from the Q2 earnings call.
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OPERATOR
Please wait. The conference will begin shortly. Good day. My name is Bella and I’ll be your conference operator today at this time I would like to welcome everyone to Monday.com’s second quarter fiscal year 2025 earnings conference call. I would like to turn the call over to Monday.com’s Vice President of Investor Relations, Mr. Byron Stephen. Please go ahead.
Byron Stephen (Vice President of Investor Relations)
Hello everyone and thank you for joining us on today’s conference call to discuss the financial results for Monday.com’s second quarter fiscal year 2025. Joining me today are Roy Mann and Eron Zinman, Co CEOs of Monday.com and Eliron Glazer, Monday.com’s CFO. We release our results for the second quarter fiscal year 2025 earlier today. You can find our quarterly Shareholder Letter along with our investor presentation and a replay of today’s webcast under the News and Events section of our IR website at ir.Monday.com certain statements made on the call today will be forward looking statements which reflect management’s best judgment based on currently available information. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ from our expectations. Please refer to our earnings release for more information on the specific factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our forward looking statements. Additionally, non GAAP financial measures will be discussed on the call. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are available in the Earnings Release and the earnings presentation for today’s call which are posted on our Investor Relations website. Now let me turn the call over to Roy.
Roy Mann
thank you Byron and thank you everyone for joining us today. We are pleased to report another outstanding quarter for Monday.com, underscored by robust revenue growth of 27%. This performance reflects surging demand for our platform and the powerful value we deliver to customers across industries. Our relentless focus on efficiency is bearing fruit with Q2 non GAAP operating margin of 15%, a testament to the strength of our business model and disciplined execution. We continue to make significant strides in our AI offering, expanding capabilities and accelerating innovation to empower teams and drive impactful results at scale. In Q2. Customer adoption of our AI capabilities accelerated across the Monday.com platform with users performing 46 million AI driven actions since launch, a strong indicator of increasing engagement and the growing value that our AI tools deliver. This quarter we introduced Monday Magic, Monday Vibe and Monday Sidekick, three AI powered capabilities that mark a major step forward in our evolution from work management to work execution. These innovations enable users to instantly generate workflows, build secure custom applications without code and receive proactive context aware support all within the Monday.com platform. By embedding AI into the heart of our product, we’re unlocking new levels of speed, flexibility and productivity for teams across every industry. Let me now turn it over to Iran to walk you through some of our business highlights for the quarter. Thank you Roy. The enterprise continues to be our fastest growing segment and the investments we have made in offering for these customers are bearing fruit. In Q2 we achieved a record number of net new adds of customers paying over 100,000 annually, further validating our traction with enterprise organizations. We are very excited to share that Monday CRM has recently reached $100 million in annual recurring revenue, marking a significant milestone in our product rapid growth. This achievement underscores the strong demand for a flexible, customizable CRM platform and the trust our customers place in Monday.Com to part their business operation. Reaching this benchmark reflects our lengthy focus on innovation, customer experience and expanding the capabilities of our CRM to address evolving market needs. We are very excited to build on this momentum as we continue to scale and deliver exceptional value to our customers. We recently announced the appointment of Eric Beber as Monday.Com new chief marketing officer. Based in our New York City office, Harris Beber brings over 20 years of marketing leadership from leading global organizations, most recently overseeing global marketing for Google Workspace and previously serving as CMO at Waze and Vimeo where he was instrumental in driving significant growth and innovation. At Monday.Com, harris will lead our global marketing organization and drive forward our evolving strategy focused on creative human centered storytelling to support continued dynamic growth. We are pleased to announce the appointment of Adhi Dhar as our first Chief Customer Officer. In this important role, Adeee will be responsible for overseeing the end to end customer journey including adoption, retention and long term satisfaction. Adeee will continue to serve as Chief Operating Officer until a successor is appointed. Lastly, we’re happy to invite all of you to our upcoming Investor Day on September 17th as part of this year Elevate New York conference. Investor Day 2025 will be a key moment to showcase our progress and ambition. Whether you join us in person or virtually, you’ll hear directly from our leadership team as we highlight our achievement and outline our long term vision, strategy and product roadmap. We look forward to sharing deeper insights into our business and the opportunities ahead. With that, I’ll now turn it over to Eliran to cover our financial and guidance. Thank you Elran and thank you to everyone for joining our call. Q2 marked another strong quarter with solid revenue growth and improving efficiency. Total revenue came in at 299 million, up 27% from the year ago quarter. Our overall NDR was 111% and in Q2 we now expect overall NDR to be stable at 111% throughout fiscal year 2025. As a reminder, our NDR is trailing four quarter weighted average calculation for the reminder of the financial metrics disclosed. Unless otherwise noted, I will be referencing non GAAP financial measures. We have provided a reconciliation of GAAP to non GAAP financials in our earnings release. Second quarter gross margin was 90% in the medium to long term, we continue to expect gross margin to be in the high 80s range. Research and development expense was 59.2 million in Q2 or 20% of revenue, up from 16% in the year ago quarter. Sales and Marketing expense was 1 39.2 million in Q2, or 47% of revenue compared to 51% in the year ago quarter. Net income was $58.3 million in Q2 2025, up from $49.3 million in Q2 2024. Diluted net income per share was $1.09 in Q2 based on 53.3 million fully diluted shares outstanding. Total employees headcount was 2,867, an increase of 172 employees since Q1. We continue to expect to grow headcount by approximately 30% in fiscal year 25. Moving on to the balance sheet and cash flow, we ended the quarter with $1.59 billion in cash and cash equivalents, up from $1.53 billion at the end of Q1. Adjusted free cash flow for Q2 was $64.1 million and adjusted free cash flow margin was 21%. Adjusted free cash flow margin is defined as adjusted free cash flow as a percentage of revenue. We remain on the target to meet our investor day goal, generating over $1 billion in free cash flow from fiscal year 23 to fiscal year 26. Adjusted free cash flow is defined as net cash from operating activities, less cash used for property and equipment and capitalized software cost, plus costs associated with the build out and expansion of our corporate headquarters. Now let’s turn to our updated outlook for fiscal year 2025. For the third quarter of fiscal year 2025, we expect our revenue to be in the range of 311 million to $313 million, representing growth of 24% to 25% year over year. We expect non GAAP operating income of 34 million to 36 million and an operating margin of 11% to 12%. For the full year 2025, we expect revenue to be in the range of 1.224 billion to $1.229 billion, representing growth of approximately 26% year over year. We expect full year non GAAP operating income of $154 million to $158 million and an operating margin of approximately 13%. We expect full year adjusted free cash flow of $320 million to $326 million and adjusted free cash flow margin of 26% to 27%. Let me now turn it over to the operator for your questions.
OPERATOR
At this time I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, please press star one and we do request for today’s session that you please limit to one question and one follow up. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q and A roster. Your first question comes from the line of cash Rangan with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Goldman Sachs Analyst
Hi. Thank you very much for the chance to ask your question. Nice results. But I’m wondering that you’re pivoting to the enterprise NDR and the enterprise is picking up the growth rate in the second half is good but. But you didn’t take it up. Typically there is a bit of a raise to the second half expectations as you finish up the first half and the product customer adds for the new products also seem good. But it feels like you’re waiting to hit an inflection point in the business where the new products and the pivot to the enterprise can stabilize the growth rate, maybe cause a bit of an inflection, but we’re not quite there yet. I would love to get your thoughts. And also simultaneous with that inflection that you’re looking to achieve, presumably you’re adding on a couple of new executives as well. So help us walk through all the puts and takes of the executive ads and the inflections that you’re looking to achieve in your business. Thank you so much.
Eron Zinman
Yeah, hi Keshe, this is Eron. So first of all, like you mentioned, we really put we brought in our go to market leadership, pointing Casey as our CRO and Harris now as a CMO and also Adee is our chief customer officer. And I think a lot of this will greatly contribute to increasing momentum with the upmarket part of the business, improving retention of customers and driving more expansion over long term. And on the other hand, like you mentioned, we also have the engine of going multi product Just as a reminder, while work management is very mature for enterprise customers and kind of high end mid market, the newer products, the CRM dev and service are currently more serving the SMB segment. So on one hand we feel the multi product strategy really help bundling and selling more products to kind of more the lower tier SMB bid market part of the business. While the changes we’ve done to go to market team and organization and a lot of other things is driving upmarket expansion. So I think both things are contributing to continued expansion of our revenue and growth. Although it’s definitely two separate efforts that over time as we mature the products and sell to higher tier customers will become one.
OPERATOR
Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Alex Zukin with Wolff Research. Please go ahead.
Wolff Research Equity Analyst
Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. I guess maybe can you talk about the demand environment, the spending environment and specifically was there anything different with the linearity in the quarter, particularly with the large deals. And I have a quick follow up. Cool. I can take the marketing or demand side.
Roy Mann
Hi, it’s Roy. So we do see a lot of demand in different areas like in CRM that we can grow in, we shift things into mobile. But we do see some pressure from Google on the new side though it’s not something we didn’t encounter before, so it’s considerably small on that respect. And within like the CRM we do shift a lot of resources into other areas. Okay, like that we see a better place to grow. Like you know, we have the big brain and we monitor all the performance stuff so we see areas that we are more efficient in so we move resources there. Yes Alex, this is maybe just to add to what Roy said, to summarize. So demand in general remains very strong upmarket, we have record net adds for the 100k customers and we see a very good traction and momentum in the up market, mid and upmarket customers. As Roy said, we are seeing some softness within the down market due to the changes in the Google algorithm. But this is temporarily we believe and we’re already taking action, actions proactively to address this and we believe this is going to be recovered going into the second half of the year. Overall, our enterprise momentum, the record large customer additions and continued expansion within our fastest growing segments provide us with a lot of confidence and we feel very comfortable with the second half of the year. Perfect. And then maybe just in the context of improving enterprise traction, talk a little bit about billings. They were, it seemed like they were down a little bit sequentially from a deceleration perspective, it decelerated a little bit maybe. Is that still the right way to think about a forward looking metric? Is it possible that we’ll get an RPO comment at some point if that’s a better gauge of traction and maybe just comment a little bit more on nrr specifically how we should think about it progressing through the year. Sure. So with regards to calculated billings, we said it in the past few times, this is an imperfect measure of our business. We look at ARR growth. This is something because of I wouldn’t want to take you through the accounting things but we don’t record the deferred revenue only on a cash basis and this is why we don’t think it’s the right measurement of the business. With regards to ndr, as expected, we said there also prior quarter debt, the lapping of the 2024 price increase is going to impact on NDR. This is why the number came down from 112 to 111 and we believe this is going to be stabilized through the end of the year. The flip side of it is we see a very strong momentum with gross retention that continues to improve and the heads of the customers in enterprise, both the 50k customers and 100k customers we believe are going to contribute to the expansion of they are in the beginning of next year. Perfect. Thank you guys.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Jackson Ader with Keybanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Keybanc Capital Markets Equity Analyst
Great. Thanks for taking our questions. Guys, couple on sales, hiring and productivity. So first is sales hiring either in the enterprise or elsewhere building in line behind or ahead of your expectations as you headed into the year? Yeah.
Eron Zinman
Hi Jackson. So this is Iran. So we ramped up pretty significantly in the first half of the year. Our main strategic areas were mostly sales and marketing, hiring across all fronts, people who specialize in the new products and also people that are kind of more focused on the enterprise part of the business. So it’s pretty much in line with our plans and we continue to hire more people in the second half of the year and again we see great inventory within our own customer base for more extension. We see healthy top of funnel movement with new customers. So overall there’s more room to grow within the sales team and we’ll continue to hire coming into H2 in the beginning of next year.
Eliron Glazer
Jackson, maybe this is Eliran just to add to what Iran said and we have Casey who joined us in prior quarter at the end of prior quarter and this is part of the CRO organization transition. So there is a high focus on continuing improving and enhancing the sales organization across the board throughout the end of this year and going into next year. Okay, all right, great. That makes sense. Thank you, Eliran. And actually I’m going to pivot over to CRM accounts. The net new number was pretty far below what you guys have typically been doing on a quarterly basis. What should we be reading into that? Is this kind of a new normal and you’re going to land higher valued customers or was this more of a blip? Thank you. Yeah, hi, Jack, this is Iran. So first of all, you know, I want to emphasize that we’re very proud of Monday CRM to reach 100 million in such a short amount of time. And it’s a very significant milestone for us as a company. So very proud of that. I think some of it is seasonality. I mean, traditionally like we mentioned, Q1 is stronger in terms of net accounts add and Q2 is relatively lower compared to Q1. But yeah, part of it is the pressure Elrond and Roy mentioned in the low end of the market and also part of our strategy in CRM and we kind of repeated that several times, is lending bigger customers and having higher ACV customers. We drive a lot of focus on that front and we continue to improve the product and landing larger and larger customers. So I think that just the amount of customers is not the perfect indicator of a progress within the product. And maybe over time we’ll shift to a more telling metric that represents that.
Keybanc Capital Markets Equity Analyst
Okay, all right, great. That makes sense. Thank you very much.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Brent Breslin with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Piper Sandler Equity Analyst
Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to double click into the CRM business. Clearly solid results here in Q2, but you took that from what, 0 to 100 million ARR in three years maybe walk through. Is this really resonating as a lower cost replacement product? Is it Greenfield? How much of the business has been NET New logos versus cross sell? Any additional color on scaling that to $100 million here and it looks like about three, little less than three years.
Roy Mann
Cool. Hi, it’s Roy. So I think our CRM is like amazingly good for customers because it offers complete flexibility where they don’t have that options in other CRMs. You can really build whatever you want. So it’s not, not just a lower cost, it’s the capabilities that you that come with it. And there is a huge demand for that in the market. Something that is simple, that people really love to use and that you can actually build anything you want. With it and together with that like we started with like a more SMB style audience, but as we add more capabilities like marketing and other stuff, it becomes a whole new and we move up market. Like Eran mentioned a full color there and just a quick follow up. Vibe coding has really just taken off lit and fire here. I know it looks like you guys are releasing your own kind of vibe coding tool. Can you just talk about just given the launch of GTP5 and now you’re releasing video coding, what are some of the foundational models you’re using and how do you think about Vibe coding and being differentiated for Monday with its own vibe coding tool versus other vibe coding tools out there. Thanks. Hi Uri again. So we’re super excited about that. That’s like an acceleration to our vision. We always wanted to have tools that give people the power to build whatever they want to control their own destiny. And with Vibe coding we can give them that and it’s really tremendous. And we see the feedback we get now is amazing. And I think we are in a very unique point like Monday because we’ve historically built everything in our platform that is very open. The platform is open. It’s built out of building blocks, it’s all modular and that gives us a huge head start into building enterprise grade applications that really work seamlessly and that is also connected to the rest of your workflow. So essentially if you need like an addition to Monday, you can build your own building block or complete new app totally. But it’s completely integrated so it connects with our integrations and automations and everything works together. So we’re super excited about this one.
OPERATOR
Thank you for the question. Your next question comes from the line of Arjun Batla with William Blair. Please go ahead.
William Blair Equity Analyst
Yep, perfect. Thank you so much. Can I go back just for a second on the, on the Google changes? I’m curious how you go about kind of remediating the impacts on from AI search on customer acquisition costs. You know, I understand. I think for work management may not as big of a deal given you’re getting up market traction and it’s more sales led, but I imagine it impacts service and CRM and dev a little bit more. And then Elrond, how long? Like how do you contemplate that into the, into the guidance for the rest of the year in terms of how long that might take to remedy.
Eron Zinman
Thank you. Okay, so hi, sorry, I can start and Eliran can complete. So it’s not something we didn’t see before. It’s not a huge impact that we see on performance marketing, and we have a lot of room to grow in other areas, and we can optimize for that. So we’re also doing a lot of AIO in AI and what’s being searched by people in AI and that they find us there. But generally, it’s not such a big impact right now, and we can mitigate it in many different ways.
Eliron Glazer
Hi, Arjun, this is Eliran. So, just as a reminder, when we look at guidance, it’s grounded on the analysis of the latest market trends and internal performance indicator that we are seeing at the time of the guidance. As Roy said, we believe this is something that is temporary and we’re already taking actions to reallocate resources to places where we see greater return. So in terms of the impact for the year already baked into the guidance, and we want to make sure that we deliver the most accurate and transparent outlook possible. And this is something that we took into account.
William Blair Equity Analyst
Okay, understood. Thank you. And then maybe this one’s probably for you, Roy, but some of the AI capabilities that you rolled out. You talked about Vibe coding just now, but they sound very exciting. I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks and the shareholder letter that you’re transitioning from a system of work to a system of action. I’m curious what that means in terms of how customers are using Monday, how they’re implementing it, the value that they get out of it. How does that change with all these AI capabilities that you’ve now incorporated into the platform?
Roy Mann
Yeah, that’s like another exciting thing. So we released, like, three different products. One is, like Vibe coding Monday Vibe, and then Magic, which is building whole solutions on Monday, and Sidekick, which I think you are referring to, which is doing the work for you. So essentially, we have all the context. We know everything people are trying to achieve because it’s in Monday. Their project, their context, their history. And so we’re able to create, with a single click, an AI that helps you accomplish the actual work and not just help you manage work better. And that’s our vision. And as AI progresses, we will progress with it and we’ll be able to perform more and more actual work for our customers. So, for example, instead of, like, you figuring out which venue you want to create an event, we find the venues for you and create, like, a comparison. So that’s work we can do for other people. And there are like, hundreds of those examples that customers were testing it out. And it’s. It’s really cool. Awesome. Thank you so much.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of John Baer with Morgan Stanley, please go ahead.
Morgan Stanley Equity Analyst
Hi, it’s Josh. Thanks for the question. You’re putting up some really strong growth numbers I think at a high level this year could be thought of as an investment year with 30% headcount growth and that’s slightly ahead of top line growth. A bit of margin compression and the result obviously a ton of product innovation that go to market motion that’s maturing and able to penetrate up market. So I’m just wondering as we look ahead beyond this year, can we see the yield on these investments in the form of higher, more durable growth or more operating leverage? Just looking ahead, any thoughts on how you’d characterize the future if this is more of an investment year?
Eron Zinman
Yeah, Josh, this is ironic start. I mean definitely coming into 2025 we had a very concrete plan. On one hand we had some catching up to do in terms of hiring for the sales organization because we saw so much potential within our existing customer base and a lot of demand. And we’re doing that. It will continue to grow into 26, but in lower percentages, I would say for the sales organization and then for the R and D part we definitely saw a big opportunity in investing into R and D. And coming into this year we put a lot of effort into building new AI capabilities into the platform and just working on each one of the products. So it was an era of investment but we’re already starting to see fruits of all that investment in how people leverage AI, how people use the products going up market. Definitely see the fruits of that. I think 26 is going to be very different in terms of healthcare. We’re going to be more efficient compared to 25, but we’re going to see a lot of the investment and the results of what we’ve done in 25 coming into 26. Great, thank you.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Mark Murphy with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
JPMorgan Equity Analyst
Hi, this is Noah on for Mark Murphy. Thanks for taking our questions. Can you maybe just touch a little bit on some of the adoption you’re seeing in terms of managed services as you’re moving moving up market into these enterprise accounts? What are some of the most typical managed services that are being adopted by customers and just have a quick follow up.
Eron Zinman
This is Eron, can you just repeat you asking about addition to the Monday service product or were you referring to something else? Some of the add on services governance that are being adopted? Yeah, yeah, got it. So we have a bunch of add ons that we offer to our customers. In addition to the licenses that we provide to them, some of them are about kind of more robust security or managed services and other parts of business. Definitely as we go up market our customers want a little bit more askor and customization to how they use Monday. So we offer that as part of our enterprise package. And yeah we see some growth over there. Definitely as we go up market it becomes more common for customers to attach one of these add ons to their license. So we see healthy growth but it’s pretty much in line with the growth we’ve seen in the enterprise segment. Great. And then just a quick follow up but on the fiscal year 2025 guidance is there any change to the pricing contribution and just also FX impact for the year? Thank you. Hey Mark, it’s Eliran. There isn’t any change to what we have seen in what we have said in the past with regards to fx it’s going to be not material. We estimate the full year impact to be below 50 basis points. And with regards to pricing this is in accordance with what we have said in the prior year that over the next the three years between 25 to 2024 to 26 is going to be altogether 80 million with 40 million dollar impact this year.
OPERATOR
Thank you for the question. Your next question comes from the line of Steve Enders with Citi. Please go ahead.
Citi Equity Analyst
Okay, great. Thanks for taking the questions today. I guess just to start I want to ask on go to market changes and with Casey being in there now for a quarter and Adi being promoted to the chief commercial role I guess what is what changes with the go to market and I guess is there anything to read into the change from a COO to a CCO here?
Eron Zinman
Yeah Steve, so this is Eron. So yeah first of all we’re very happy for Casey to join. You know it’s already driving significant impact to the sales organization and you know going back to what earlier on referred to beginning the core so we had some weakness on the low touch part of the business but actually the enterprise part of the business, the touch part of the business performed really well and we had a record add of enterprise customers, customers over 100k. So I think we’re very happy so far with the transition and there’s a lot of impact, positive impact to the sales organization. As we mature as a company we accumulate more and more enterprise customers that use Monday very strategic part of their own business and part of it is why we established now the chief customer organization to support those accounts to improve retention, improve their expansion ability and Just provide a better service, putting the customer in the center. And I think this is part of us maturing as a company going more upmarket and we expect this to drive higher NDR over, over time and also improve the continuing, improve the growth retention of the company. So very positive about all the recent changes we made to the go to market leadership and already we’re seeing great results.
Citi Equity Analyst
Okay, that’s great to hear. And then I want to follow up on some of the Google commentary from earlier and the impact of search. But it seems like you already have put some of those, some of those plans into place. I guess what has been maybe the efficacy of those changes so far. I guess what kind of gives you confidence the changes you’ve made will kind of play out as expected and the confidence you’re going to have in the second half. Guide from the Google Impact
Roy Mann
hi, it’s Roy. So like one thing to remember is that we have around 250,000 customers and a lot of the growth we see come from expanding them. Okay. And multi product and giving them service. The new part is obviously smaller but very important for the long term. And like I said before, it’s not such a significant impact until now. Not nothing we didn’t see before. So it’s just a matter of budget allocation and scaling on areas that we improve on. So we do that always. Okay. Like we improve some areas of the product and then shift to another some other areas in media like YouTube and other areas. So it’s not just like that. We have a lot of things to do and we see the impact quickly so it’s something we can improve and iterate quickly. So yeah, it’s not that big. Maybe Steve, just to add to what you said, look over the last four or five years we’ve seen many, many things change in the market. Anywhere from prices spiking up by 30% at some point three years ago to prices going down. I think what gave us a lot of confidence throughout all the years we’ve been doing performance marketing is one we don’t only do just AdWords, so we have a lot of other channels as well. And also we monitor every campaign, every click, every expense so we’re not flying blind. Everywhere we feel is unoptimized. We optimize so we know we can optimize. We know we have full visibility into how we spend that budget and we’re doing the right tweaks to kind of remain efficient and just distribute the funds in a very organized way.
Citi Equity Analyst
Okay, perfect. Appreciate the contact and thanks for taking the questions.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Brent Hill with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Jefferies Equity Analyst
Thanks. I think there are a lot of questions just as it relates to the Google change and what percent that impacted your business. If you think about just XYZ percents covered in this category from Google, what percentage? What would that have been in the quarter?
Roy Mann
Hi Roy. So given there are so many questions on that, maybe we can double click a little bit more into it. Like the better high quality customers still click on Google and ads. If you’re looking for a solution such as a CRM or project management, you’re going to reach us. Okay, so the drop that we see is just on volume because they are experimenting with AI on top and it’s not that significant for the higher quality of customers. So it’s more volume than quality and we can get that from many other areas. So again, like, I don’t. I think we can mitigate that relatively quick. Okay. Yeah, I think this is just going back to the magnitude of the raise and everyone’s trying to figure out was it enterprise SMB? It sounds like there was some weakness in SMB you’re blaming on Google. Everyone’s just trying to put the pieces together what the impact is to the forward guide because it’s a lot lower than you’ve usually put up in terms of the magnitude. So I think everyone’s just trying to reconcile that. So that’s all the call we’re going to get on that.
OPERATOR
Thank you for that question. At this time I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. We do request for today’s session that you please limit to one question and one follow up. We will pause again for just a moment to compile the Q and A roster. Your next question comes from the line of Ramo Lensho with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Barclays Equity Analyst
Perfect, thank you. Two quick questions for me. One is on services from our text, that sounds like it’s a really nice emerging opportunity. Can you talk a little bit about how services compares to the CRM rollout? Like, you know, obviously you got the 100 million ARR for CRM, but like services almost looks more interesting. Can you speak to that? And then maybe just a very quick math question following Brent. So you beat the quarter in Q2 by 6, but you only raised the full year by 3 million. And so I guess we all wondering a little bit like is that kind of buffer on the Google search side? Is that the new CRO where is that buffer coming from? Thank you.
Eron Zinman
Yeah, so this is Eron. So maybe, maybe I’ll start with the second part of the question. So yeah, definitely not the new CRO. As I’ve mentioned, the enterprise part of business is performing well according to our expectations. Summarizing the first half of the year, we saw some weakness in the lower side of the business. Part of it is because of the Google changes, part of it is maybe some other trends that it’s kind of hard to understand, kind of the where exactly they’re coming from. But we see a little bit of weakness regardless of the Google search. And look, we try to be as transparent as possible about the impacts we see from the search engines. It’s just not that material right now, but it’s a start of a trend. So we’re starting to be, we want to be a little bit more conservative about, you know, I don’t exactly, I don’t control, we don’t control exactly how we will play this out, how the world is going to be. So we’re trying to understand what are the implications currently in terms of. We don’t have the exact percentages, but it’s very, very low, almost insignificant. But it has some effect in our ability to acquire some part of the lower end of our customer base. So that’s the best visibility we can give right now.
Eliron Glazer
Yeah. And maybe I Remo, this is Eliron, maybe to add to what Eron said. So our full year guidance already reflects the strong execution that we have seen year to date and it’s including Q2 performance. We remain super confident in our ability to deliver against our fiscal year 25 outlook. And we continue to cut for areas of uncertainty, as we already mentioned in the call, that could influence some of the numbers for the end of the year. But they’re already backed into the guidance. And our approach is always to provide guidance we believe is both achievable and prudent. And we want to make sure that we maintain focus on the longer term growth, profitability as well. Yeah. And just answering the first one of service, we are super excited about service. We see it as a huge opportunity. It is scaling really fast. Absolutely. And what’s also exciting is like it’s not the same go to market. It’s not Google if you like, it’s from existing customers. And we have a different go to market that succeeds really well with service. So we’re like super excited about that one.
Jefferies Equity Analyst
Okay, perfect. Thank you.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Matt Bullock with Bank of America. Please Go ahead.
Bank of America Equity Analyst
Great. Thank you. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask about the AI actions. Obviously the cumulative number seems to, you know, is growing nicely, but looked like the in quarter AI actions sequential growth did slow. Maybe just help us think about how the AI actions trended relative to your internal expectations and then help us think about the potential monetization story in 2026. And I have one follow up.
Eron Zinman
Yeah, sure. This is. So we’re actually very happy with the adoption of the AI action. It grew by almost 20 million this quarter. And just as a reminder, we started to introduce payment at the beginning of the year. So obviously had some effect on adoption, but apart from that we see more and more accounts kind of suppress the 500 AI monthly credit limit and we’re starting to see kind of more revenue accumulate from the AI actions. So we’re very happy with the progress and the adoption of the AI actions. And also we have some new, new generation AI features like Roy mentioned, Magic 5 and Psychic, which also contribute to the AI usage. So overall we’re very happy with the AI adoption within the platform.
Bank of America Equity Analyst
Fantastic. And then one follow up quickly. I hate to harp on the SEO question, but we’re getting a lot of inbounds on it. Is there anything you can provide in terms of data points around conversion rates, maybe traffic performance, marketing costs and then help us understand why call this out now. How did the influence of Google SEO disruption change this quarter versus 1Q for example? Thank you.
Eron Zinman
Yeah, so look, I think like we said, we optimize in real time. We adjust the budget on a daily basis. Right now the effects are very minor in terms of acquiring new accounts. Definitely for the kind of mid market enterprise segment we see a little bit of impact on the SMB part, but still very insignificant. And we optimize this on a day to day basis. So we’ve done some optimization last month, we continue to do optimization this month, but overall nothing very significant that impacts our ability to acquire new customers.
Bank of America Equity Analyst
Awesome. Thank you.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of D.J. hines with Canaccord. Please go ahead.
Canaccord Equity Analyst
Hey, thank you guys. Elrond, just one for you. So Josh asked earlier about this being an investment year. Do you see that 30% headcount growth as a surge or is that kind of more steady state hiring pace given the growth of the business? And then looking forward, I know we’re not guiding to next year, but just if you think about budgeting, do you expect a moderation in the pace of hiring? Like what’s the kind of go Forward view of where we are. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Eron Zinman
Hey DJ, Eron. Sure. So we already said that we expect headcount growth to be this year in fiscal year 25 around 30% and it’s actually going to start. The growth in headcount is going to start to decelerate in H2 going into next year. I think we said it last year and we said at the beginning of this year we have huge opportunities, the market is great, we have multi product. We want to make sure that we capture the opportunity. Therefore we invested in product, in R and D and in sales and marketing. We believe by the end of the year we will have the right resources going into the next few years. So we expect it to be more moderate and capture the opportunity, the huge opportunity that we have in front of us going into 26 and beyond.
Canaccord Equity Analyst
Perfect, thank you.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Connor Murphy with Capital One Securities. Please go ahead.
Capital One Equity Analyst
So I just want to go back to the SEO question. Just, I mean I understand a component where it’s impacting net adds, but are you guys seeing more churn down market as well? Because I’m just, I mean I’m looking at the NDR down percent upmarket is flat. So I just want to get a little more color on the down market customer base. And then I have one follow up.
Eron Zinman
Yeah. Hi Connor, this is Eron. So we actually see the exact opposite. Our gross retention is at all time high and it’s not just on the enterprise part of business but across the whole customer base. So we don’t see any change in terms of Churn or their ability to expand. Like I said, it looks very good and like we said before, it impacts a little bit the customer ads in the beginning of the funnel. But overall it doesn’t change the Churn profile. Understood, thanks. And then just you guys are sitting on $1.6 billion in cash and you’re generating over 300 million this year despite heavy investment. Can you just go back and talk a little about your strategic priorities Whether MA or potential buybacks. Just getting where the stock is. Thanks. Hi, this is Aliran. So going forward priority number one remains on organic growth and we would like to continued investment in product and sales, investing in the platform in MondayDB in AI. We are also considering inorganic growth. Obviously we now have multiple products that each one of them can have has its own roadmap and we would consider M and A to further enhance and accelerate those roadmaps. On the longer term we might think about other return on investment methodologies but for now this is the main focus of his organic growth as well as consider attacking M and A s potentially.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Derek Wood with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
TD Cowen Equity Analyst
Great, thanks. Given the enterprise strength, how much focus do you have on going after larger multi thousand seed opportunities especially in light of the Monday DB upgrades? Just just wondering if you could have some of these Bigger, larger deals in the pipeline especially as we get into the stronger enterprise seasonal spending in the back part of the year.
Eron Zinman
Yes, this is Eron. So look we’re definitely also focused on lending larger enterprises. We have the end of the year momentum. Also we have our annual cost conference for our customers coming up in September, our elevate conference. So also a lot of opportunity coming out of that traditionally but at the same time we also remain focused and committed to our mid market and SMB segment. I think one of the big unlocks of the multi product strategy is we have more opportunity to sell bundles to our customers doing more cross selling, more complete solution and give them the full Monday experience. So I would say we focus on both. I think we have opportunity as a company on both and we’ll continue to invest this year and next year. Great. Just as a quick follow up. Interesting to hear that you’re already getting AI consumption related revenue. It sounds like people burning through their allotted credits and coming back to purchase some. Should we be thinking that this kind of sets the stage to see bigger AI monetization next year on the heels of driving adoption this year? Hi 3 yeah, so exactly that. Like I think we’re driving more AI usage with value and pricing. It allows us to get the feedback and optimize the product to give enough value that customers will continue to buy more. And like Iran mentioned, we’re adding new products of AI that build more solutions and workflows to consume those credits and we see that we are expecting to increase it over time.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Scott Berg with Needham. Please go ahead.
Needham Equity Analyst
Hi everyone, thanks for taking the questions first. One probably for Elon or Roy, with the release of Magic, Vibe and Sidekick, can those be kind of, I guess new lead AI type functionality or modules or do you do what you see with AI actions? Are they still kind of the lead AI functionality for the platform?
Roy Mann
Thanks. Hey, so it’s a good point. There are two sides. One within the platform. After you build a solution or you’re working with the platform that’s mostly Sidekick which does the work for you. And when you want to build a new solution or solve something new, then you’ll use either Magic or Vibe. And Magic essentially is like you ask it anything you want. You can go now and check it out. It’s MondayMagic AI. You type whatever you want and it’s amazing to see what customers ask it. They really put in their business problems in there and expect it to solve it for them. And it does it gives them like a really great solution to how they need to operate. It’s even great to see how the AI thinks about it. It’s a great way to get a reflection on your business and how you need to think about it. And then it gives you the full solution. Even creates a movie that explains the solution. And that’s the new way for us to, to give people the power to build the tools they need. And it incorporates also blocks and Sidekick in there. So it’s like it’s a compound value added. Very helpful. And then Elrond in your guidance, probably another question on the performance marketing Google here. It looks like, yeah, I know it looks like you’re flowed through your profitability from Q2 for the back half of the year, but is your strategy and approach in the back half similar to the second quarter in terms of prioritizing more profitability over growth from those lower customers? Or should we maybe view that guidance differently? Thank you. No, we apply the same philosophy on guidance as we did in Q1. Just as a reminder, overall NDR we believe is going to be stable at 111%. We do think that customer growth is going to be in the mid single digits. This is something that might have changed. And we also took into account a small amount of Monday service revenue with some potentially small FX tailwind. Very minimal. And as we go back to headcount, we said that it’s going to be decelerated in terms of the percentage of what we have done in H1. But if there are going to be opportunities for us with everything that we spoke of, you said no performance marketing and we will see some recovery. Definitely would make the investment in if we deem this is the appropriate one.
Needham Equity Analyst
Very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Rob Oliver with Baird, please go ahead.
Baird Equity Analyst
Great, thanks. Good morning. There hasn’t been a question yet on the partner network so I wanted to ask about that. When you guys look into your partner network, how important of a role is that playing in the move up market, you know, 50k, 100k and then anything relative to current pipeline and demand. If you’re seeing particular verticals or geographies which are outperforming or you see as opportunities as you look into the back half of the year and into 26. Thank you. Y
Roy Mann
Yeah, so we don’t see any particular segments that are overperforming or underperforming. And like we said, we’re going to continue and do performance marketing in H2 across all products and we’ll continue to invest in all of them. We don’t see one particular segment, whether it’s SMB or enterprise or any specific business sector that’s overperforming or underperforming coming into Edge 2.
OPERATOR
Thank you for your question. Your next and last question comes from the line of Taylor McInnes with UBS. Please go ahead.
UBS Equity Analyst
Yeah, hi, thanks so much for taking my questions on the revenue guide. So for the second half and implies growth stabilizing in the mid 20s. When we compare this to the initial base case framework of high 20s, low 30s growth, can you just talk about which assumptions have changed relative to your initial expectations? And then as we look into next year I know you’re going to be lapping some of the bigger price increases. So is mid twenties still a good starting point? Or maybe you could just walk us through the puts and takes given the product roadmap and hiring ramps. Thanks.
Eliron Glazer
Hi, this is Eliran. So with regards to next year we are now working on the budget so obviously once we have we will finish the year. We’ll provide you guidance with regards to that. With regards to this fiscal year we’re operating in accordance with the playbook that we have said at the beginning of the year. Taking into account all of the things that we mentioned earlier, the fact that NDR is going to 111% some uncertainty which I think we already said about the Google search that we want to make sure that we deal with as we’re already proactively addressing it and the assumptions with regard to headcount hiring as well as the new products contribution to the revenue. These are all the things that we took into account as part of the guidance based on what we know today and we want to make sure this is responsible and prudent.
UBS Equity Analyst
Awesome. Thank you. And then just lastly for me could you maybe give a little bit more color on what in period NRR look like? So was it around the 111 trailing 12 month metric and as like a second part to that it looks like you know where there was maybe some NRR pressure was amongst the smallest customers. So when you talk about stability going forward in nrr does that apply across all of the customer segments? Thanks.
Eliron Glazer
Yes, it’s pretty much broad based. We do see strength in the mid market and upmarket enterprise accounts. As we said the reason why we see the deceleration from 112 to 111 is mostly the lapping of 2024 price increase. Other than that we didn’t see anything that impact ndr.
OPERATOR
Perfect. Thanks so much for taking my questions. That concludes our Q and A session and today’s call. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect. Everyone. Have a great day.
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